David Thiessen, Christian extremist extraordinaire, has been leaving comments on some of my posts regarding Silence of Mind. David is no longer welcome to leave comments here, since he has made it clear he cannot abide by concepts of honesty and decency. Maybe this is why he put together a lengthy attack on a position of mine, an attack that, as usual, misses the mark.
Would you do it? That is the question MM asked us some time back. He was not thrilled with our answer as he was looking for a strict yes or no response. Our answer was that God would not ask us to kill him.
David is referring to this post of mine, and he is not quite being accurate in how that conversation went down…
You see, in Genesis 38:6-10, we have the following:
6 Judah got a wife for Er, his firstborn, and her name was Tamar. 7 But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death.
8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also.
God was enraged enough by the failure of a man to ‘blow his load’ in the right place, that God killed for it. Clearly, the God of the Old Testament was prepared to kill for reasons such as this. My question to David was whether or not he would kill me if God told him (not asked, told him) to do so for this very reason. After all, God Himself was prepared to, so it makes sense God would also order people to do so.
But, since David does not like this hypothetical scenario, let’s make it simpler, clearer. David, if God ordered you to kill me, would you obey that command?
I’ll give SoM a slither of credit here, for he has already admitted he would kill me if commanded. That’s scary, but it’s honest.
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Ben, Your question, “if God ordered you to kill me, would you obey that command?” takes us back to Old Testament Antiquity. Consequently, my answer comes from Old Testament Antiquity.
I already told you that Christians don’t role that way.
Jesus Christ, through his life, death and Resurrection changed the world and brought it into modern times. Today, we have modern science, modern systems of justice, and capitalism (all exclusive products of Christian Western Civilization).
The teachings of Jesus Christ have rendered man capable of self government. That is, in modern times it is our responsibility to root out the evil amongst us by applying Christian justice. God has taught us what to do. And we freely do it.
You also said you would indeed kill me if God commanded it. Besides, that’s not the overall point. You believe, unquestionably, that the Bible is the literal Word of God, correct? You also believe God is the ultimate symbol of morality, correct? Yet presumably, even you would baulk at carrying out some of the actions God commits, and orders, in the Old Testament.
Ben, If we were living in Old Testament Antiquity then yes, I would kill you without hesitation. But we live in modern times when Our Lord Jesus is King. Thus, if you are evil, your evil actions would be subject to modern Christian justice.
Your question doesn’t make any sense today. It only makes sense in Old Testament Antiquity.
So you would kill me on a whim, but that would depend entirely upon what piece of a holy text were relevant? You are disturbed, SoM. I take it you don’t have any issue with God commanding the killing of infants in the OT?
Ben, Your comment is a non sequitur. It is as if you did not even read my previous comment.
Your willingness to kill for arbitrary reasons is noted. You would kill for God, without question, and presumably without wondering what it was I was supposed to have done, correct? I am not surprised by this, given your fanatical tendencies. In the Old Testament, God killed for reasons as harmless as not shooting one’s seed into a woman, and killed babies, babies who couldn’t possibly have done anything to deserve being slaughtered. This God is the same God you praise, and consider to be unfailingly, objectively moral.
Given your fanaticism, you are not welcome to post comments here any longer. I will not tolerate your barbarism. Make of that what you will, rant on your own site if you must, but you have exhausted my patience.