Quick as a flash, David Thiessen responded to my last post. In his reply, he continued to insist that God does not command people to kill.
“…do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them…as the Lord your God has commanded you…” Deuteronomy 20:16.
“This is what the Lord Almighty says… ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3).
The LORD had said to Moses: “You must not count the tribe of Levi or include them in the census of the other Israelites. Instead, appoint the Levites to be in charge of the tabernacle of the Testimony–over all its furnishings and everything belonging to it. They are to carry the tabernacle and all its furnishings; they are to take care of it and encamp around it. Whenever the tabernacle is to move, the Levites are to take it down, and whenever the tabernacle is to be set up, the Levites shall do it. Anyone else who goes near it shall be put to death.” Numbers 1:48-51.
While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. Then the LORD said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-36.
Hmm, within a few minutes, I have found four verses that make it abundantly clear God commands people to kill. These aren’t requests, these are instructions, orders, commands to kill. In 1 Samuel 15:3, this includes commands to kill everything. Women, children, even animals. In the Numbers verses, these commands are petty, for they punish ‘crimes’ that no reasonable person who ever dream of killing another for.
So, to respond to David’s post…
MM is one of those people who is never satisfied with the truth or the right answer. He keeps pushing until he gets the answer he wants. In this case, he either wants the Christian to say they will disobey God and then he can attack them for not following their God.
Or he wants them to say they would kill him if ordered to by God. Then he can attack them for being blood-thirsty, murderers, or something else. With this type of people, you can never win because they will not accept anything other than their predetermined responses. Here is his latest demand:
The answer is still the same for this demand as it was for the first one. God does NOT order his followers to kill others. MM must have confused God with the Muslim god who has made that order. But he should read the NT again and find any verses that tell Christians to kill unbelievers.
Christians do not get orders to kill.
I made no demands of David, so that is a lie on his part. I asked a question, and then I asked another question. Why he would misleadingly label my question a demand only he knows (it appears to be a poor character attack). I also did not reference the New Testament. I refer to the Old Testament, that David believes is the literal Word of God (well, I presume he believes that, for he has insisted more than once that we take the Bible as literal fact, and the Old Testament is part of that, after all).
The verses I quoted all contain clear commands from God, commands to kill. So, I put the question to David again – would you kill me if God ordered you to?