When I left this as a comment on David’s Theology Archaeology site, David told me to re-write it, as it’s apparently ‘non-sensical and repeats garbage’. I invite the reader to decide if that’s true.
[QUOTE]#3. Getting a vaccine does not mean you do not trust God. As long as you do not trust the vaccine over God. There are many people still getting sick from Covid or even dying after receiving the vaccine.[/QUOTE]
There actually aren’t that many vaccinated people dying from covid. If the data from the US state of Massachusetts is correct and the ratios are applicable globally, 0.29% of vaccinated people have been infected with covid and 0.01% of vaccinated people have required hospitalisation. 0.003% of vaccinated people have died from covid.
This next link does a better job of explaining the difference between unvaccinated hospitalisations/deaths and vaccinated ones: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html
As you’ll see, the highest percentage of vaccinated deaths (in the US at least) is 3.5%. That means 96.5% of people to die from covid weren’t vaccinated.
So no, ‘many’ people aren’t dying after receiving the vaccine – in percentage terms, vaccinated deaths are a tiny minority.
[QUOTE]But the vaccine was a different issue and we have trouble with it as scientists and governments are now saying you still have to wear a mask or face shield and need booster shots if you get the vaccine.
That seems ridiculous and makes getting the vaccine worthless. We have not changed from that attitude. those declarations are one reason why we do not trust scientists. (And that is another story).[/QUOTE]
Science is always updating itself with new information and the pandemic is a fluid situation. The data shows that lockdowns, social distancing and masks have all had an impact on the spread of the virus, but it takes time for that data to develop. The vaccine will help prevent serious illness or even death from covid but like any vaccine, it doesn’t stop transmission. Masks are proven to help slow the spread of the virus and lockdowns controlled it as well. A combination of measures is what’s needed, in order to protect the vulnerable and stop any further mutations.
In addition to the ‘discussion’ that arose from my comment, David and I had a ‘back and forth’ regarding abortion, due to his post on the subject.
There are numerous reasons why I disagree with his remarks on Simone Biles. I believe David is showing a tremendous ignorance of mental health issues and he seems to believe Biles should have scheduled them better for the benefit of the Olympics. However, the focus was on abortion. My initial question, coloured blue.
Is abortion wrong in the event that a minor is raped David?
His reply, in purple.
Right and wrong do not change no matter the age of the person. Sin does not change no matter the age of the person
So… if a 13 year-old girl is raped, she must then be expected to carry the baby to term?
Yes. Murder is murder.
So your sympathy for underage rape victims is… what exactly?
It does not extend to allowing her to commit murder or sin.
So a minor is the victim of an horrific crime and then they should be forced to undergo the tremendous trauma of pregnancy and childbirth (which by the way, can kill or cripple kids of that age).
You’re advocating that kids be forced to have kids.
One, stop being melodramatic and provide the links to where teens die or are crippled from pregnancy. I did a check and you are over-stating the case as usual. Also, ‘the trauma of pregnancy’? when you come back to reality let me know.
Again, the age of a person does not allow them to sin or commit murder.
Nothing has been overstated because I didn’t make any sort of claim as to the frequency of teen death or injury due to pregnancy and childbirth. However, since it’s clear you clearly did not do any kind of check of your own, take a look here: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/teenage-girl-dies-every-20-minutes-through-pregnancy-or-childbirth-save-children-foreign-aid-budget-a7834571.html
Do you see those numbers David? Pregnancy is the greatest killer of teenagers between 15-19.
You may also want to read this: https://www.nicswell.co.uk/health-news/teenage-pregnancy-death-concern
So, the facts point to a very different conclusion to the one you reached. Teenagers are not physically developed enough for pregnancy or childbirth, and the babies themselves suffer complications as well, as per the above link.
As for Two, so tired of your tricks. don’t do it here again. I went through my article and see where you made your distortion and misquoted me again. I will edit any comment you make that does it again. You are like Bruce, you are not honest.
The final paragraph was in reference to my quoting of his exact words in respect of the covid vaccine and vaccinated deaths. What’s interesting is that he is now more or less openly admitting he would following a dishonest practice of editing comments that he claims misquote or distort what he’s written. Whenever I quote him I link back to his pages so anyone can see what I’ve quoted and in what context. His threat smacks of an unwillingness to discuss things honourably.
Throughout the discussion around abortion one thing seems pretty clear – David has little regard for the victim in this scenario. The violation of a woman (or girl in this case) is secondary to the clump of cells that are now growing inside of her. The girl herself is secondary, which is type of forced-birthers. The life of the victim is an irrelevance, her well-being unimportant. All that matters is ensuring the baby is born. After that, the fanatical religions right will take no interest in the child’s welfare.
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You are “dishonest” like Bruce. I’m honored to be in the same conversation with you.
The honour is mine!
get a room you two.
I had a very nice reply that I was writing then the power went out in this country. This is a common occurance done by the electric company on almost a daily basis.
As for the vaccine, well I will annotate my response to say that Ben does not comprehend the use of the term éven’and misapplies it to fit his narrative.
It is so tiring to hear people continually say “science always updates itself”it is an excuse every scientists uses to justify their inability to get to the truth. I have heard it more times than BG has heard he needs to repent of his sins.
it is not a valid point to us ein every discussion especially in a condescnding manner Ben uses it.
As for his views on abotrion and young girls, Ben again only uses the part of the story that fits his point of view. He does not even take into consideration the mental health issues that come with having an abortion. He just wants to see his narrative in print.
And yes, Ms. Biles could have removed herself from the team but Ben defends her even though she continued to give lame excuses for her quitting on the team. The problem with people lik eBen is that they only want to see their view and do not keep an open mind to those who are better quaklified to say something.
**had to switch to a different computer so i.d. is a bit different
Get a room you two.
It is obvious that Ben does not comprehend the usage of the term ‘even’ and uses it to fit his narrative instead of being honest The same applies to the abortion article as he wants to let young teens become murderers. That is not a good person to go to for help or advice. Let alone for understanding and compassion.
I can see him now, “yes, I care for you just kill your baby and everything will be alright.’ How sad as he ignores the mental health issues that come with having an abortion. There are plenty. As usual, he only sees the part of the picture he wants to see, then trashes anyone who disagrees with him.
He should notice that I left the words ‘distort’, distorting’, and ‘distortion’ but he practices those activities anyways.
Power came back and this message was still on the board so Ben can choose which one he wants to keep and delete the other one.
I’ll address your comments via this post.
Firstly, I replied to your exact words and took your words in the context they were written. Your entire article is riddled with doubts about the vaccine and about the science behind it, which is typical of you. You whine that I distort your words yet I’ve quoted you quite clearly and by providing the link to your post I’ve been transparent too.
You said that many people to have had the vaccine have been hospitalised and even died. Many in what context David? In relation to how many people have died from covid prior to the vaccines being available? In relation to the number of people who have been vaccinated and not been hospitalised?
Because if it’s either of those categories, then your remarks are clearly misleading. Far more people are dying of covid who haven’t been vaccinated than have been vaccinated. Far more people are being hospitalised who haven’t been vaccinated than have been vaccinated. So define ‘many’ in this context David.
Regarding science – yes, it is an evolutionary process. We continue to learn new things through the scientific method every day. Sometimes that includes realising we were wrong about other things.
As for the abortion discussion, shall I quote, yet again, the numbers?
You obviously didn’t read that part, in your rush to demonise women being treated as people. In our hypothetical scenario, we discussed a 13 year-old girl being raped. Your apparent attitude to this is that the crime against this hypothetical 13 year-old and the welfare of this teenager matters less than the pregnancy. It appears that you find the life of the rape victim is unimportant in this scenario. The fact that pregnancy is the greatest killer of teenage girls also doesn’t appear to matter to you, though I am hoping you will display at least some of the compassion that your Saviour is so famous for.
This is the problem with so-called pro-lifers. You’re not pro-life, you’re forced-birth. The lives of kids matter less than giving birth. A 13 year-old is still a child David, yet you would put her life in danger (how is that being remotely pro-life?) to force her to have a baby fathered through the traumatic and terrible crime of rape! Listento yourself – does that sound like a remotely decent or kind position to take?!
To address your response elsewhere…
I only ‘blew things’ in the sense that I didn’t mindlessly agree with you, which appears to be what you seek. Your version of me ‘re-writing’ comments would be to have me compliment your arguments and accept your misleading claims. Sorry, but anyone can see what you wrote and it’s archived too.
Want to join us, David? I’m all for a threesome.
Would there be breakfast afterwards?
“I replied to your exact words and took your words in the context they were written.”
no you didn’t and you pull this every time we have a discussion
“This is the problem with so-called pro-lifers. You’re not pro-life, you’re forced-birth.”
again you lie about me. I never said that nor have I advocated such a position. Your problem is you do not care about right and wrong.
Shall I quote your exact words yet again David? Stop being obtuse and define ‘many’ in the context of your statement.
And I am right. You favour forced-birth. That’s all pro-life basically is. THAT is wrong.
You are one of the biggest distorters there is.
Also, the developing baby doesn’t have a voice even though its life is at risk here. Who will speak up for it? Certainly not you or the crowd you run with. It is nice to have the luxury of already being born and making decisions for those who do not get that opportunity.
You are the one robbing the unborn child of everything. I am not robbing the pregnant girl of her life but making sure she does not ruin it.
I don’t think you know what the word ‘distort’ even means David.
You are ruining the rape victim’s life. Imagine being 13, and being forcibly taken, and then being forced to risk your life to have a baby that you never asked for and was forced upon you. What do you think is likely to become of that young girl? You would deny a human being a right to life over a cluster of embryonic cells David.
It’s obvious that anyone who questions whether or not giving birth is “traumatic” is not a woman.
That comment frustrates me on many levels. The foremost is, my sister gave birth recently. She very much wanted the child. However, the birth has left her beyond disabled for the past YEAR. And it was considered a “simple” or “standard” vaginal birth.
Count the above as reason 143,485,444 that I’m not having kids…. or maybe it’s 143,485,445. I can’t remember now.
That’s the thing. Even a ‘normal’ pregnancy can be a difficult experience. Most men, especially ones like David, have zero understanding of this and zero empathy.
Yeah. To be fair, there’s stuff about “normal pregnancy” that even women don’t understand until it happens. From what I’ve heard, it’s 9 months of new discomforts and Googling whether or not what your body is doing is normal.
The joy of being an Auntie is, I got to hear allllll about it. Diabetes testing and swelling and heart burn and just … yeeeeah. No, thanks. LOL
And as an Auntie, if the kids cause trouble you can hand them back afterwards!
Oh yeah. Give the kid some fancy blended coffee drink… then drop him off at home. I can’t wait. LOL
(Don’t worry – my friend knows not to trust me with her child without a “don’t” list. LMAO)
For added fun add sugar!
In the states, the majority of those fancy blended coffee drinks come loaded with sugar. I’m pretty sure it’s against the law to add any more. LOL